Stimulus now "empirically proved" to have worked

[Stealthbirds80]

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

What else did Nixon sign in?

Try the price and wage freeze.

He even said there's a little Keynesian in all of us and he was supposed to be
a conservative.

They didn't call him trick dick for nutten.

REal conservatives are still reeling over him, especially legalizing China. Why do you think
the East Coast establishment got him out of the White House. And everyone thinks
it's a coincidence two presidents were forced out of office within a decade.

Nixon's undoing was falling in with Kissinger, a liberal's liberal who just happened to be the
director of the Bilderberg's Steering Committee for 25 years.


I remember the first HMOs came out during Nixon's Administration -

Freestate, Carefirst.

They called that socialized medicine.





I'll say one thing for him though. He said bread will not go to $1 pr loaf and gas will not go to $1 pr gal.

It didn't under his watch.

Today gas is $2.60 pr gal and bread is $2.58 pr loaf.

There is a little general store up over the Conowingo dam where you can get a loaf of bread for a buck.

Oh I knew what else he signed, but I wasn't sure of anyone's level of know on here. Wasn't assuming, but didn't want to write a novel you know. Evey president since has added just like he was supposed to. Just like a live frog in a pot of water that is slowly rising in temperature. Most people do not realize they are being cooked. Glad to see that you educated yourself Air.

[AirFlacco]

Thanks, man.

The funny thing is, Galen doesn't even know what Keynesian economics is
and that's what he's preaching but don't get me started on Nixon-lol.

Here's a funny story that he claimed.

IKE gave the original order to kill Castro. Nixon got the job to do it and ran
the operation called Track 2 from the same basement office in the WH that
Oliver North ran the Contra Affairs.

Dick set everything up but IKE's term expired but the wheels were in motion.

When Kennedy won he was briefed by IKE on foreign and domestic affairs
of course but Dick also briefed him on what he did but he held out Track 2.

JFK had no idea of the plan to kille Castro aft first and the gov't even
contracted the Mafia to do it since they were so good at killing people and
had a motive since they lost all their casinos down there.

JFK came in when they missed and he was furious when he found out Nixon
started it all and didn't tell him.

So to get even he had IRS audit Nixon's mother while she was dying in the
hospital.

Nixon was furious but was a partner in the most prestigious law firm in
Manhatten - Mithcell's who later became his atty general and shut up his
own wife during the Water Gate Scadal-lol.

Many say this is urban legend but I'm known for my conspiracy theories
around here.

As I mentioned Kiss was the head of the Bilderberg's Steering Committte.
That's the group that started at the beginning of the cold war to stop
Russia from invading West Europe.

It was started by the monarch of Norway and met in the Bilderberg Hotel
in Oslow. The group consisted of ruling families of Europe and the wealthiest
people like the Rotchchilds. The group expanded to bring in Americans like
David Rockerfeller and every CIA director since Helms plus the Bushes, Clinton,
Kerry, Gore, Vernon Jordan and most of congress. Hillary
gave their key note speech in 97. They meet at the richest hotels in the
world to meet.

It was secret for many years until a french newspaper infiltrated the group with
a reporter and heard David Rockerfeller say the time is right for a ONE WORLD
GOV'T.

he never denied saying it and still wants a global economy.

After they succeeded in defeated the Soviet Union the group expanded their
goals to world domination. It was the Bilderbergs and their Austrian branch
the Hapsburgh heirs that forged the EU, something everyone was thought
impossible at one time.

So back to Kissinger and China. The Bilderbergs wanted Russian troops off their
borders so what a better way than to get the US to recognize China. Nixon
wanted to do it to drive a wedge between them and Russia. They were at
each other's throats at the time.

It would force Russia to put 1M troops on their Chinese border because tension
would rise if they became friends with US which is exactly what happened.

Kissenger was the chair of the steering committee and Sec of State and he
convinced Nixon to recognize China. Nixon also sold out Taiwan because China
wanted their seat on the security council of the UN as a condition and they
got it.

So Nixon loved it because he drove a wedge between Russia and China but
he died never knowing he was duped by the Bilderberg Group. Oh yea, this has bit
us in the ass since China now owns us buying up all our debt. Hilly's been over there
begging for more money every 6 months-lol.

My last urban legend had Obama's ties with the Trilateral Commission.
Rockerfeller left the Bilderbergs to form his own group because the Bilderberg's
wouldn't admit China and Japan into the fold.

He owns Morgan Stanley and wanted his bank over there so he started his
own group and it's even more powerful than the Bilderbergs.

I posted a link with Obys connections to it and mostly everyone in his
administration is a member of that commision including the Treasury Czar
Gethnier who just happened to by Kissinger's apprentice in his firm at
one time.


Also, when the Cold War ended it was H Bush who said this will be a NEW WORLD
ORDER. That is a play on words of the biblical phrase - NEW WORLD GOV'T as
prophesized in Revelation. At the time he had an office in the Presidio in Calif and
Gorbachev had a suite next to him. They were paid for by the Bilderberg Group.


Coincidence you say?

Maybe, maybe not.

[Stealthbirds80]

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

Many say this is urban legend but I'm known for my conspiracy theories
around here.

What many call theories, I call unauthorized fact. There is proof on many theories that would hold up in any court in the world. You can probably imagine were my head is then. Good to know.

[AirFlacco]

It's a fact that Kissenger was a member of that committee and all those names were members of the group.

It's a fact that Russia placed a million troops on their Chinese border.

It's a fact that the Bilderberg's paid for Bush's and Gorbachev's offices at the Presidio which was once
a military fort fighting commies.

It's a fact that the US Govt contracted mafia to kill Castro.




Here's several links to the Bilderbergs.


http://www.google.com/#hl=en&rlz=1R2...5f35ef214b0397



Rockerfeller's Trilateral Commission.


http://www.thehiddenevil.com/tc.asp

[NCRAVEN]

Hey Air,

You say you're know as the conspiracy theorist around here. I have not see much of the dudes stuff only heard of him. Ever hear of Alex Jones?

[AirFlacco]

Sorry, man.

I don't know him. Got any good links to him.

Any good books. I'd definitely be interested in them.

This post nearly got me banned on scout. I posted it when OBY was campaiging
here and there. I was crucified over there by the MODs.

I said OBY would have to win the election for Bible prophesy to come true.
Revelation says in the end times all the countries of the world attack Israel
at Armeggedon and that includes the US if it is still around.

The Bible never mentions the US and that disturbs a lot of Christians but
we weren't even on the map then but we do come under the Roman Empire
since they conquered England and we left them. So ware are part of the old
Roman Empire that attacks Israel at Armeggedon.

Anyway, I posted that right now we are the only country defending Israel so
I reasoned that something has to take us away from Israel between now
and Armeggedon.

Since OBY is a Muslim he would be the one to lead us from Israel.

He just diverted 60 bunker buster bombs (that can explode nukes 25 miles under
the sand) to Israel because the are building
condos in East Jerusalem. The Muslims are acting up there just like they
did with the Gaza strip which brings up another point.

OBY leaned on Israeal to get out of there and they did.

Hillly was just in Israel telling them to get out of East Jerusalem. I mean it belongs
to Israel. they can move anywhere they want but it's mostly muslims there.

So here is OBY placating his Muslim cousins by forcing Israel out of there like
he did in Gaza.

He's directing weapons that Bush had promise them elsewhere.

So I was right. OBY is taking us away from Israel and I was the first to
say it anywhere based on my understanding on Bible prophesy.

Greg who is also a Christian has posted here and on scout that we are
not supporting Israel as much.

Another thing is Rahm Emmanuel. That's a Muslim name but his dad was
an Israeli freedom fighter and helped create the state of Israel in 1948
but he was the negotiator under the Clinton Administration who brokered
the peace deal that Rabin signed with Arafat and the PLO. That deal allowed
the PLO to stay inside Jerusalem.

That deal also got Rabin killed by extremists who felt that Rabin was a
threat to Jewish security. There were even some Rabbis that were suspects
and questioned for a while.

In short, Israel hates OBY and Rahm as they take US protection away from
them.

This also leads me to think OBY just might have to win re-election to keep taking us
away but I'm not sure yet. The GOP could easily do the same if a liberal like Romney
gets in and if the election were tomorrow, any GOP would win including Galen's girl
friend - Sara Palen.

[Stealthbirds80]

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

Hey Air,

You say you're know as the conspiracy theorist around here. I have not see much of the dudes stuff only heard of him. Ever hear of Alex Jones?

NC

I know the guy. Pretty informative, but slings out alot of fear with no real solutions. That is no better then a preacher (I am not anti-religous). Also take into the account that the real watchmen have funding problems. If they seem to be doing well for themselves then he is probably funded by the same parties that they speak against. Rule of thumb, at the top there are no enemies. If someone is your enemy, make him you ally by giving him what he wants most. Once you give him what he wants most then tell him to hate you in public, but worship you in secret. That is how wars are funded

[Stealthbirds80]

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

Sorry, man.

I don't know him. Got any good links to him.

Any good books. I'd definitely be interested in them.

This post nearly got me banned on scout. I posted it when OBY was campaiging
here and there. I was crucified over there by the MODs.

I said OBY would have to win the election for Bible prophesy to come true.
Revelation says in the end times all the countries of the world attack Israel
at Armeggedon and that includes the US if it is still around.

The Bible never mentions the US and that disturbs a lot of Christians but
we weren't even on the map then but we do come under the Roman Empire
since they conquered England and we left them. So ware are part of the old
Roman Empire that attacks Israel at Armeggedon.

Anyway, I posted that right now we are the only country defending Israel so
I reasoned that something has to take us away from Israel between now
and Armeggedon.

Since OBY is a Muslim he would be the one to lead us from Israel.

He just diverted 60 bunker buster bombs (that can explode nukes 25 miles under
the sand) to Israel because the are building
condos in East Jerusalem. The Muslims are acting up there just like they
did with the Gaza strip which brings up another point.

OBY leaned on Israeal to get out of there and they did.

Hillly was just in Israel telling them to get out of East Jerusalem. I mean it belongs
to Israel. they can move anywhere they want but it's mostly muslims there.

So here is OBY placating his Muslim cousins by forcing Israel out of there like
he did in Gaza.

He's directing weapons that Bush had promise them elsewhere.

So I was right. OBY is taking us away from Israel and I was the first to
say it anywhere based on my understanding on Bible prophesy.

Greg who is also a Christian has posted here and on scout that we are
not supporting Israel as much.

Another thing is Rahm Emmanuel. That's a Muslim name but his dad was
an Israeli freedom fighter and helped create the state of Israel in 1948
but he was the negotiator under the Clinton Administration who brokered
the peace deal that Rabin signed with Arafat and the PLO. That deal allowed
the PLO to stay inside Jerusalem.

That deal also got Rabin killed by extremists who felt that Rabin was a
threat to Jewish security. There were even some Rabbis that were suspects
and questioned for a while.

In short, Israel hates OBY and Rahm as they take US protection away from
them.

This also leads me to think OBY just might have to win re-election to keep taking us
away but I'm not sure yet. The GOP could easily do the same if a liberal like Romney
gets in and if the election were tomorrow, any GOP would win including Galen's girl
friend - Sara Palen.

People don't realize that this life you battle the spiritual and you are spot on. Check this Air. Look in Genesis chapter 25 verse 23. Then look at chapter 25 verse 31-33. Jacob was also named Israel in other chapters in the bible. This has been going on for a couple thousand years and would this explain our attachment to that country in blind following? The son of Issac, Esau is the tribe of Edom then follow the geneology. Follow Jacob's as well. Two races? These people are in power for a reason and also know their bloodlines for thousands of years. I am not religous, but the bible and other religious texts are hidden history book that use parables to haze the true stories.

[AirFlacco]

Great, great post. You sure sound Christian and know more scripture
than most Christians.

I wasn't going back that far but all of today's troubles in the middle east can
be traced to Abraham when God made a covenant with him that he would
be the father of many nations. At the time he was old and w/o children.

Sara would eventually bare a son when she was about 98 but Abraham
sinned and tried to rush things. Sara even aided in letting Abraham sleep
with his servant.

She bore him a son and Sara was so jealous that she ran her and the
baby out of camp and into the desert. God intervened and brought her
and the baby back to camp.

Sara had her baby but God would say that their descendents would hate
each other down thru the ages as part of Abraham's sin of not trusting
in God's time for a son.

And the other son was Ishmeal. All Arabs today come thru his line
and all Jews come thru Isaac's line. The Bible says that Ishmeal's
descendents would be wild - paraphrasing.

Arabs are certainly that.

At APG I worked with a military unit F Troop also called the International Student Co.
The Army brought allied soldiers over to train them on our tanks and latest
vehicles like Humvees. We in- and out-processed them. Got them houses, cars,
insurance and what not. They were their country's finest officers.


We had some Arabs in the building. I liked them. I like them and loved the
Jews. The Muslims invited me over to their homes in Egypt.

One day there was a fight in the student lounge over something stupid and an
Arab picked up an ash tray and threw it in his opponent's face. I was there and broke
up the fight. Pulled an old wrestling move, a full nelson on an Arab officer. Froze him stiff.
He couldn't move w/o getting a broken neck. This was 20 yrs ago. Our 1st Sergeant
and staff sargeant came in to clean things up.


But I saw first hand just how wild Arabs are - just as the Bible said they
would be and if Iran gets their nukes and OBY doesn't let Israel bomb them they
will use it.

[NCRAVEN]

Originally Posted by Stealthbirds80

NC

I know the guy. Pretty informative, but slings out alot of fear with no real solutions. That is no better then a preacher (I am not anti-religous). Also take into the account that the real watchmen have funding problems. If they seem to be doing well for themselves then he is probably funded by the same parties that they speak against. Rule of thumb, at the top there are no enemies. If someone is your enemy, make him you ally by giving him what he wants most. Once you give him what he wants most then tell him to hate you in public, but worship you in secret. That is how wars are funded

That is what I have heard about him. Informative, but tries to tie it to things that doesn't end up working out. I know he is a huge conspiracy guy. I believe he was one of the main people behind 9/11 truthers movement

[NCRAVEN]

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

Sorry, man.

I don't know him. Got any good links to him.

Any good books. I'd definitely be interested in them.

.

So I did a little research on him. I haven't watched the youtube links. I am just giving links to the guy cause you mentioned being a conspiracy guy and I heard he is as well, just maybe a little nutty too He does bring up some good info, just some things are tough to follow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOT...eature=channel

http://www.infowars.com/

[AirFlacco]

Thanks, man. Very interesting.

This has been a great thread and notice how Galen never provided another
link and completely abandoned the thread. That's what he does.

This discussion is far more interesting than Galen's bogus links.

STEALTH - Speaking of the Edomites, another prophesy is being fulfilled at
this moment. The last book of the Old Testament, Micah, says the Edomites
will be dispersed for generations but one day will return and over throw their king.



Today's Arabs in Jordan are the descendants of those Edomites and they returned
to Jordan after being exiled for generations.

This link shows today's arabs in southern Jordan are descendents from the ancient
Edomites of Edom. It shows why they were dispersed and shows who's who and
where they came from in ancient times.

http://prophecydepot.blogspot.com/20...edom-part.html



The situation there is very sticky with the Hamas causing trouble for the king, so much so
that Israel sent a top General to assess the military situation there because Jordan is only one of
two Arab states that have a peace treaty with Israel. The other is Egypt, plus the PLO iniside
Jerusalem.




He filed a grim report to the Israeli cabinet.

He said there are armed Hamas that want to over throw the Kind of Jordan,
just like the OT said they would. It hasn't happened yet, but keep your eyes
on Jordan. It will. Maybe in your life time.

Another town to keep your eye on is Babylon. I've posted this a couple times.
Daniel's prophesy has already been fulfilled when he said Babylon wouldn't be completely
destroyed and in the end times would be rebuilt.

During the 80s it was discovered and excavated and Sodom Hussein reubuilt the city. The
Isthar Gate is standing exactly where it was after being covered by sand for thousands of
years and so is Nebecannezera's Palace. Hussein was going to move in there some day when
he was over thrown by Bush.


Cheney's Haliburton is over there now building it up. They are going to build a city of restaurants,
hotels, stores, sky scrappers and what not. The Bible says it will be the cultural center of the
world in the end days. Right now it would be the #1 tourist attractioin in the world if not for the
war.

And it's right where the Bible said it would be by a large river. It was the leading commercial port
of its day. Now this rebuilding will take 30-40 years but Haliburton is working on it now.

When the US turned the chain of command of the southern region to the coalition forces, the
ceremony was in Babylon, not Bagdad. When the bank of Bagdad was destroyed the US built
a new one near Babylon plus a state of the art satellite communications center near there.

Now we believe the anti Christ rules from Israel during the tribulation from the new temple in
Jerusalem for 3.5 yrs. There are plans now to build it but it has to go on the temple mount where Jews believe
the first 2 temples were. Solomon's temple was destroyed by Nebecannezera and the 2d temple
was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD.

So today's orthodox Jews in Israel want to built a new temple but the gov't won't let them. This
gov't is not religious at all and doesn't care about God but one day they will but the big prob is that big
mosque on the site now. It's been there for 600 yrs. The Israeli gov't left them alone when they
conquered it during the 6-day war in the 60s as a show of faith and peace.

So how does it come down. There's a big fault line running from the mountains in the Golan Heights right
thru Jerusalem. That mosqued has been destroyed by earth quakes over 60 times in 600 yrs. Perhaps
another earth quake destroys it. When it does, those orthodox Rabbis will build the 3rd temple. This
leads to the events to Armeggedon.


We believe the anti-Christ will destroy the 3rd temple. He has to go somewhere after that but
where. The Bible doesn't say but I believe to Babylon and he will rule from Nebecannezera's
600 room Palace or somewhere nearby. OBY just gave Iraq $700,000 toward fixing it up after
the Marines trashed it. They used
it as a headquarters bldg during the invasion.


http://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.co...as-prophesied/

The UN has also hinted of moving there headquarters there. I have posted links on this.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/p...ility_mov.html


So keep your eyes on Babylon and you heard it here first.

[NCRAVEN]

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

Thanks, man. Very interesting.

.

I don't have time to watch those links, have you watched the youtube links?

[Galen Sevinne]

Geezz...if this thread isn't illustrative of the difference between progressive and conservative thought patterns then I don't know what is!

Let's disect the process of this thread...don't worry so much about the content per se but the momentum - so to speak.

G7, well known progressive on the boards, posts empirical evidence for success of the stimulus. The evidence being provided by Mark Zandi - Moody's Chief Ecomonist and Alan Pinder - Princeton Economist. No where was claim made that the economy is fixed but just that the stimulus was effective in preventing the GDP from being about 6.5% lower and payroll employment would be some 8.5 million jobs less and finally the nation would be experiencing deflation. Most economists believe the stimulus/TARP prevented anothe Great Depression. Since it is hard to prove a negative, this will always be debated but at least we have respected economists chimimg in empirical data. If you care to look up the methodology of the report then you should.

So where does the discussion on the thread end up once the connies start reading and posting?

It ends up with a discussion how someone, somewhere predicted that Obama would be elected and then that would somehow prove he was the Anti-christ because he is a muslim. Or something like that? Endless babble about biblical nonesense and more antiscience, antiempirical hogwash.

And somehow G7 will be gettting his "ass kicked" all over the boards!

Not quite seeing it that way guys but whatever makes you feel good.

[NCRAVEN]

Originally Posted by Galen Sevinne

Geezz...if this thread isn't illustrative of the difference between progressive and conservative thought patterns then I don't know what is!

Let's disect the process of this thread...don't worry so much about the content per se but the momentum - so to speak.

G7, well known progressive on the boards, posts empirical evidence for success of the stimulus. The evidence being provided by Mark Zandi - Moody's Chief Ecomonist and Alan Pinder - Princeton Economist. No where was claim made that the economy is fixed but just that the stimulus was effective in preventing the GDP from being about 6.5% lower and payroll employment would be some 8.5 million jobs less and finally the nation would be experiencing deflation. Most economists believe the stimulus/TARP prevented anothe Great Depression. Since it is hard to prove a negative, this will always be debated but at least we have respected economists chimimg in empirical data. If you care to look up the methodology of the report then you should.

So where does the discussion on the thread end up once the connies start reading and posting?

It ends up with a discussion how someone, somewhere predicted that Obama would be elected and then that would somehow prove he was the Anti-christ because he is a muslim. Or something like that? Endless babble about biblical nonesense and more antiscience, antiempirical hogwash.

And somehow G7 will be gettting his "ass kicked" all over the boards!

Not quite seeing it that way guys but whatever makes you feel good.

"Mr. Madison, what you have just said, is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul."

[Stealthbirds80]

See the problem with society today is that everyone wants you to have a label. There are more labels today then in the 1960's and it is a product of being brainwashed without even knowing it. The movie the Matrix is really a theoretically accurate view of how most of the world is asleep. Two make someone either a progressive or conservative is to fall for the left/right paradigm when both sides are funded by the same.

2008 election

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/70864

I can take someone who just doesn't know that they have been fooled, but blind followers of both parties Repubs and Dems have been in the words of Malcolm X - "You've been bamboozled, led astray". As you can see like all of the others that have tried to wake up the nation to who actually runs things, none of those people are no longer with us.

This one guy knew along time ago what would happen today and paid for his leak with his very life. Maybe the last true statement from a political figure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces

This speech could have been written today and would still fit. How many repubs and dems were in office before and after him. They all know the same and is a reason that our current commander had to change all of his promises, b/c they let him know the big secret. Ship up and fly right or we will follow the tried and true playbook.

[AirFlacco]

Originally Posted by NCRAVEN

"Mr. Madison, what you have just said, is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul."

Stick around and you will see that is usually the case with Galen.


Hey Galen - We're still waiting for another link.

Then you post a dumb thread about Chelsea vs Bristol that has nothing
to do with anything.

At least my prophesy predictions about the ONE came true.

Speaking of Babylon Galen - I always said our presence there has to do
with oil. Everything we do there has to do with oil. It had nothing to do
with a Dennis the Menance who made life miserable for his neighbors
and allies not to mention gassing his own people.

I also said W will be called a genius in 20 yrs for going in there. You see
Galen, Iraq has about 115 billion barells of oil under the sand as opposed
to about 250 billion in Saudi Arabia but that's just in the 10% of Iraq
that has been explored. 90% of Iraq hasn't even been explored yet.

When their oil is flowing we will be getting most of it and we will control it
and that's what make W the genius for going in.

That's why the Russians were in Afghanistan for 10 years. They were
trying to get to that oil and control it but the same Taliban drove them out
with the stinger missles we provided and invented just for that. Now
we're in there making sure the Russians don't go back or the Chinese.

Controlling Afghanistan and Iraq is the key to keeping Russia and
China out of the middle east.

Now just think how rich Iraq will be once all unexplored regions are
exploited, I mean explored.

You see Galen, like I posted above, this has to do with the Bible
and all the trouble in the world coming down from Abraham's two
sons. The current Arabs come down from Esau while the Jews come
down thru Issac.

The oil would be the catalyst God created to make the middle east
the center point in the end times and for his prophesies to come
to like Israel becoming a nation in 1948 after the Jews were
dispersed around the world for over 3,000 yrs - just like Daniel
forecasted.

And speaking of that, when we sent the world's largest military
coalition in Iraq it was the first time a world wide army had ever
fought there = EVER.

Which is what happens at Armgeggedon.

Todays news sets the stage for that.

[AirFlacco]

And speaking of unexplored oil over there we will control, how about the
unexplored oil here that your libbies won't let us explore.

I was surprised when Jim Cramer had the CEO from Weyhauser explaining
why their stock is a good deal even though they had a sharp drop on
Friday.

He said they own 6M acreas of land in the North West. It has all those
trees that are used to build your house and paper you write reports
on those clients the state sends you.

That land also has un-tapped oil reserves. Some of it you can see on
the ground. this is a great opportunity should they be allowed to dig it
up.

But Congress has to approve it because we're not allowed to dig it up
even though it would give this deep recession a boost. All kinds of
energy resources are on that land and they can't touch their own land.

There's also shale oil on the rocks on the ground in Colorado, tons
of them that could provide billions of barrels. You can see the black
rocks driving thru Rt 70 but we're not allowed to dig them up later.
The indians used it for war paint. Here's a history of shale oil in the west.

BTW, Congress own it now going back to 1910 when Taft signed an act to
allow the Navy to dig it up and use it.

If used today, it would give us 1.5 trillion barrels of oil the crude oil pr
barrel under $40. Thats more than 5 times the stated reserves of oil
in Saudi Arabia.

Just think how that would stimulate the economy Galen since this thread is
about stimulation.



http://dailyreckoning.com/oil-shale-reserves/


And that doesn't even include Anwar where there's another 10B barells of
oil we can't get up.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-0028-01/fs-0028-01.htm



Now my pal Fred was on here and said we gave them land to dig up
but they didn't even use it so it's a two way street.

I said Fred, that's because the libs knew there was no oil there or
it was so bad that it was too expensive for anyone to dig up.

Now this is the same Fred who said Clinton balanced the budget when
in fact it was the GOP controlled Congress, the same one we're about
to take back that forced him to balance the budge.

So go figure Galen.

[NCRAVEN]

Originally Posted by Stealthbirds80

See the problem with society today is that everyone wants you to have a label. There are more labels today then in the 1960's and it is a product of being brainwashed without even knowing it. The movie the Matrix is really a theoretically accurate view of how most of the world is asleep. Two make someone either a progressive or conservative is to fall for the left/right paradigm when both sides are funded by the same.

[Stealthbirds80]

No form of bailout will work because of two small issues that are result of our economy....


Fractional reserve banking...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyyaE3DIxhc

and Derivatives...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLzuTxhhklY

Please educate others and I do work in the business.